[Chaos-l] Fwd: [UncensoredTakGroup] Re: Help! TOA130 lens coating problem

Thu Nov 1 11:05:02 EDT 2012

VERY good to know Allen, thanks.

The next thing you know they'll be telling us that photons degrade the
coatings and to only use your scope with the dew cap on! ;)

Mark

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, E. Allen Davis <starstorm151 at embarqmail.com
> wrote:

> I think that the alcohol is only a major problem when using with aluminum
> coatings on mirrors.  there is a chemical reaction where the alchohol
> creates some compound that gets in pores in the aluminum.  if i remember
> correctly.
>
>
>
> course ive always been careful with DEET because it seems to react with
> all sorts of things.
>
>
>
> its one reason i never use anything spray or smoke around my scope.  who
> knows?  allen
>
> E. Allen Davis
>  starstorm151 at embarqmail.com
>
>  "M'Illumino              "I am enlightened
>  D'Immenso"              by the immensity."
>
>    -Ungaretti               -Ungaretti
>
> ------------------------------
> Interesting read Allen, Explore Scientific recommends using 94% isopropyl
> alcohol on the optics of my scope. I've used it on the correct plate and no
> problems so far.
>
> I do use spray on DEET during mosquito season, but I leave the observing
> area before applying it. I've also read that exhaust fumes can have an
> adverse effect on coatings as well.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:11 AM, E. Allen Davis <
> starstorm151 at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  THIS is a forward from a thread on the Tak group about damage to lens
>> coatings.
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting what the follow up says about use of DEET etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> i also know from personal experience that anything with alcohol can
>> damage mirror coatings.  i used some cleaner years ago on my mirror and it
>> caused a bluish haze with a certain part of my mirror.  seems the alchohol
>> bonds with compounds in the coating.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is one reason I always spray DEET on a paper towel and rub it on
>> skin.  I don't ever spray insect repellant near the scope or eyepieces.
>> thankfully we are out of mosquito season for a little while.  i actrually
>> hope we get some colder weather this year to help with bug populations next
>> year.
>>
>>
>>
>> just some interesting info...i feel sorry for the guy with the TOA 130
>> allen
>>
>> E. Allen Davis
>>  starstorm151 at embarqmail.com
>>
>>  "M'Illumino              "I am enlightened
>>  D'Immenso"              by the immensity."
>>
>>    -Ungaretti               -Ungaretti
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>> The problem doesn't appear to be the result of abrasive cleaning. It
>> appears the coating was exposed to a chemical of some sort. I did a
>> little quick research and discovered that the chemical component of insect
>> repellent DEET (diethyltoluamide) can damage lens coatings. Also, some
>> folks use moth balls to dissuade insects from getting into their equipment
>> bags and cases. Moth balls contain the chemical compound
>> 1,4-dichlorobenzene (para-dichlorobenzene, p-dichlorobenzene, or PDB) which
>> can damage lens coatings.
>>
>> Alternatively, acids have a damaging effect on optical coating as well.
>> Using optical equipment in proximity to chemical plants or near industries
>> that utilize acidic compounds in manufacturing, there is a probability of
>> acidic emissions resulting in acid rain or acid dew. If this comes in
>> contact with coated optical systems can result in damage over time. Lens
>> coatings are intentionally removed using acid, but usually this results in
>> damage to the optics and requires replacement.
>>
>> Not a solution to your problem, but could shed some light on your issue.
>>
>> Scott Busby
>> Belmont Observatory
>>
>> --- In UncensoredTakGroup at yahoogroups.com, "mackey" <hojong.lin at ...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Don't really know what happened. My friend noticed strange 'scratches'
>> on
>> > his TOA130 objective lens. Here are some photos:
>> >
>> > http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8194/8137649431_b27d3191bb_o.jpg
>> > http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8473/8137649357_b440c6c1f2_o.jpg
>> >
>> > He can't recall any sandy wind incidence which may be the culprit.
>> >
>> > Pictures of bright stars also showed ugly spikes:
>> >
>> > http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8308/7941835164_f251c3b71f_o.jpg
>> > http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8439/7984289825_33e00f2bdb_o.jpg
>> >
>> > Anybody knew what might seem to be the problem?
>> >
>> > Thanks for any info.
>> >
>> > Hojong Lin
>> > Taipei, Taiwan
>> >
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